Mask Creation Questions

Discussion in 'Predator Anatomy (Costumes)' started by ThorKrohn, Jul 30, 2015.

  1. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded


    Sorry, here is the logo! Lol!

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  2. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    So, since I have already began this project with the wrong type of clay, and since I don't fancy myself a quitter, I am still working to see if I can get a decent cast out this head. As and experiment with the terra cotta (mostly because it is super cheap) I am continuing to add layers, and allowed the clay to dry in the sun after adding another layer of clay over a sealer layer! Takin into account my shrinkage rules, this head is almost the right size to yield a good size mask.

    If it is a bust in the end, as a beginner, I will have taken away some great learning experiences for round two: First of all I feel much more comfortable working with clay, I am starting to tray and add detail and using a lot of the suggestions from the community which have made me more comfortable.
    Second, I know have a real feel for the size of mask I need, a knowledge of the materials I'll need and the costs, as well as a MUCH better understanding of how the process is accomplished from start to finish. I did want to explain this as most of you have offered invaluable advice on materials (such as clay type), and as I continue to work on this particular experiment as I am calling it, I don't want you all to think I have not listened thoroughly to your advice! So with all that said, so far I have only spent 20 dollars on clay and this starter styrofoam head which has turned out to have been a beneficial learning experience!

    As for the clay in question, with a dealer and using te sun to dry the clay quicker, it seems to be holding together surprisingly better than it initially had for me!

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  3. Wreav

    Wreav Community Staff

    Well, first of all there is no 'wrong clay' (unless it's play dough or some other things, but that's not the point) water based/oil have their upsides and downs. Terracotta correct me if i'm wrong is water based like WED Clay, Wed Clay was used in the production of Predator 2 their whole suits etc was made from water based clay that could break at any time so they basically did what you are doing. 'Sealing and so on' there is a video about it on the SWS, (Which I might add is free on youtube, it's like 5 minutes but you understand the idea).

    The more expensive route, that I have personally been told to go through by some of my Pred friends is to purchase Chavant Nsp Medium or Monster Clay, 'expensive here in the UK' with all the added tax. If you're good with water based clay basically you just saved your self $400+ when constructing a full suit. Waterbased clay is good for quick workers.
    One thing, always remember once you make a cast, your sculpt will be destroyed the survival rate is extremely low (it sound's like i'm talking about Ebola... never mind about that) once you decide to make a cast there is no going back ;) it's a great adventure..
     
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  4. predatoj

    predatoj Hunter

    Terracotta is not like WED clay. Terracotta is traditionally for making Bowls and ornaments, it’s mud straight from out of the ground. WED clay was formulated by the industry specifically for FX work, it contains glycerine to prolong it’s life. The industry formulate clays for FX work Chavant and WED being among them. Terracotta is not the correct clay for what we do and is why he's fighting a losing battle with it. It’s not just about drying out and cracking it’s about the texture of clay, WED will hold detail much better,Terracotta is too soft. I used it to make my mold wall and I even found that a struggle, so I don't even rate it as a utility clay. The best sculptors would achieve poor results with clays not intended for the FX industry.
     
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  5. predatoj

    predatoj Hunter

    I actually found that my pred head virtually didn't shrink at all, certainly not by eye. The polyfoam seems to stop the the shrinkage process in its tracks. If it did shrink it certainly wasn't by 20% or anything like.
     
  6. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Hey so on the subject of shrinking, can any of you share the dimensions of your pred mask? I started with a styrofoam head, measured it and then measured my own head. So I built up the head to bring the measurements to where they needed to be. But as I continue on, it still seems a bit small...my wife walked by last night and said, just to bust my chops "Hey I think its great you are making a Pred mask for our 5 year old.... Incinuating it was to same.

    Long story short, if someone wouldn't mind sharing some mask measurements for my comparison I would be grateful! Thanks gang!
     
  7. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded


    Reread this and wanted to clarify: The head I started with as a base, the styrofoam head, was to small, so I used duck tape and paper to build it up until it matched the size of my head. I assumed that the clay would bring it up to size as I added layers.

    Just looking for some comparisons! Thanks again!
     
  8. Wreav

    Wreav Community Staff

    56-58 Cm length from the Chin to the start of the dread hairs. 58 Cm Width from the right seam line to the left.
    Ever considered maybe buying a bio mask and trying to adapt your mask to the desired size? Just a thought.
     
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  9. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Not a bad thought!
     
  10. Tonkers D

    Tonkers D Hunter



    this may or may not be helpful. This is a tutorial I made 6 or 7 years ago...there are a few things I would do differently now with more experience, but it might be worth watching. best of luck.
     
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  11. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Awesome! Sorry it has taken me so long to reply! My Ultra Cal is in route to the house as we speak! Still plugging away at the clay head, trying to make it look as decent as possible!

    Thanks again!
     
  12. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Man, I feel like the casting process will go pretty well...its this sculpted head that is giving me grief! I see all the work you guys do here in the lair and I don't feel like my ability to sculpt will be anywhere close to some of the awesome craftsmanship I see here....either way I am learning so eventually I may turn out something good!

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  13. Wreav

    Wreav Community Staff

    I will give you a few quotes.
    "It takes time." - Usurper
    "Take your time and relax" - Pred666
    "It takes '72 hrs' of time to be good at something, and 2 amount of time to be an expert." Deadpool (something like that I can't remember that far)
    Take your time, the best critique is when you critique it yourself. I would always recommend to have visual aid. Don't be too hard on yourself, some members here would never like to remember their first mask they made. I know a couple who stand by that. You can do it!
     
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  14. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Thanks for the encouraging words (like the Deadpool quote, I am excited about the movie...) like I said, mask or bust, I am excited about the process! Thanks man!
     
  15. MastersPred

    MastersPred Hunter

    If you get fed up with the air drying it out constantly try and find a hobby lobby they have pretty cheap oil based clay comes in like 2-5-10 lbs i think the 10lb goes for 14. I believe it's called plasteline made by vanaken. I learned the hard way too but hey that's part of the fun, it took me in total 10 months to sculpt it was like month 5 and I came home the whole sculpt fell apart due to heat, but had her back in no time. Good luck have fun
     
  16. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Really? I will look into the oil based clay, got a Hobby Lobby pretty close to me. I have gotten a pretty consistant seal using liquid nail, i need to uploadsome pics, but it is helping me create some natural textures and sealing the sculpture at the same time. I have a test sculpture using the same method, and when my Ulrta cal comes in I will test the combination of clay and liquid nails with a release agent to see how it turns out. However, I will be using a different type of clay if I do another sculpture because having to seal it and watch the conditions in which i sculpt just adds steps, it is cheap however, the clay (from hobby lobby) was like $5 on sale, and a big containiner of liquid nails was $2. Including the foam head and a roll of duck tape, I have been able to create a sculpture for about $15. not bad considering....Lol
     
  17. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Hey gang, got my Mr. incredible body suit in! I have been waiting to make armor based on the measurements of me in the suit, and came across a picture of an armor set I liked...I found it during a Google search a while back, and was wondering if any of you Predator experts out there could tell me more about this armor, which movie it came from or if it's just someone's awesome rendering of a predator costume? I am planning to use it as a model for my own armor pieces! Thanks gang!

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  18. predatoj

    predatoj Hunter

    I spend at least a couple of months to several months on a sculpt. But you need oil based clay to do it. You can't spend just a few days on a sculpt and be frustrated when yours isn't as good as others. It takes a lot of time and patience.
     
  19. MastersPred

    MastersPred Hunter

    It's from predator 2 with a couple tweaks. Only thing I can see different from the original is the thigh armor on the sides is a lil different but other than that just a P2.
     
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  20. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Hey thanks! I knew someone would recognize it!
     
  21. NeoKazama

    NeoKazama Elite Hunter

    I have to say that i love that armor concept and I have to agree with Predator23, that is a modified version of a P2. I see a few thing that are not the same as a P2 (I've worked on many P2 suits and statues) Back armor(bottom) is missing, shoulders (one is missing the other one is a mod), chest armor (under the right arm, another mod), and the cod piece (groin) is completely different. To me the tight armor is close to accurate,


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  22. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Hey so, I was looking at the part of this concept armor, and poking around the forums for armor ideas: this might sound crazy but what do you guys think of like a themed set of Pred armor? Included a few rough sketches of a Viking type armor and a Aztec type...yes no? Maybe so? Opinions?

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  23. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

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  24. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Gettin closer to ULTRA-CAL time!!

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  25. ThorKrohn

    ThorKrohn Unblooded

    Hey so, doing a bit of reading on ultra cal pertaining to mixing ratios....38 parts to 100? Any advice on mixing? If I am not super accurate with the mixture will it change the hardening process/properties?
     

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